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Washington Women’s Heritage Project records, 1900-2000 
University of Washington Libraries Special Collections 
Susan Quant Bianchi 
May 24, 1992 
Cassette 4, Side 2 
 
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  00:01 
Of many a day during this time. She was-- she must have been in junior high school, maybe in 
the ninth grade, or, you know, a soph-- maybe a sophomore, right in there. And she would come 
out, and she loved to wash my hair. And I had long hair, you know, down about halfway down 
my back at the time. And she would get the kids crackers, anything you know, to keep them 
happy and out of the way. And she would wash my hair. And she would spend, now, it seemed 
like, at the time, hours, just combing and combing, and brushing through it, and drying it, and 
then wanting to set it and fix it in some style. I can't tell you how many times she came out, and 
her delight of the day was to fix my hair. And, you know, it's just like-- oh, it was just pure joy 
for me. And you know, anything could go for Sarah. And sometimes she'd show up and she'd 
say, Sue, you know, get dressed, because I don't get dressed till I leave the house, anyone that 
knows me knows that, you know, I'm in my nightgown and [?roll?], and get dressed. You, and 
the kids, and I are going out. And-- 
 
Linda C. Meuter  01:06 
--did she drive at the time, or it was before driving?  
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  01:09 
I can't remember. I really-- if she was a sophomore, it would have been before driving. And I, 
you know, and I would drive, but she was just always, Let's go, you know? We're taking the kids 
out to lunch and to Denny's. We would go, and she would take and, you know, help with one of 
the kids, and I would take the other kid, and made it so easy. I, on my own, just didn't have the 
idea of hauling the two kids into two car seats into Denny's and that that just don't-- that didn't 
sound fun to me, but with her, it was. And we would go shopping, if I needed clothes or 
whatever, you know, if the kids needed new clothes. She'd say, Come on, we're going shopping. 
And I can remember going to The Bon Marché with her, and she was chasing Kevin around as 
he was hiding in the middle of those, you know, clothes racks. But she came often, and she 
would come and clean my house, come and help out. I mean, she just-- she's really something 
else, because she just, she just knew. She-- it was-- and she knew that these were hard times. And 
I don't think you'd find many girls that age that would come and do this. She just, she'd come and 
help, you know, vacuum, wash dishes, things are a mess around here. And, you know, as 
perfectionist as I am, those were days when it was hard to always keep everything done up. And 
yet, she'd come, you know? And the other person that was really support for me was Barbara 
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Rauch, and main-- our main-- the main support there, was on the phone. She called every day, 
you know, just to see if I was still alive, you know. But she called and we talked, and we would 
talk, and, you know, if I were having problems or upset about Kevin, or how things were going, 
you know, I could tell her anything. And we talked every single day. And, you know, and it was-
- it felt good to get up every morning, make my coffee, take care of the kids, and know she was 
going to be calling. It was like contact with the outside world, you know. So... And also during 
that time, I did continue with the pageant. I worked after, you know, the first-- you three. After 
that, I worked with four more Blaine contestants. And so, until about '77, I did that. And then in 
'78, I started working with the Miss Whatcom County pageant. But I worked with four more 
Blaine contestants. So still, every spring, they were coming, and I was working with their 
interviews and their talents, and that kind of kept me, you know, with the real world-- I, you 
know, getting dressed up and getting out and doing that. The last girl I worked with was in '77, 
was Laura Sibilia. And when we took a trip, I think it was in '77, to Disneyland, she went as our 
babysitter, kind of to help out with the kids and so on and so forth, so... So between Sarah, and 
Barbara, and still being involved with helping with the Blaine girls, that was, you know, part of 
how I kept my sanity. And Stan would help out in the evening. And, you know, things 
proceeded. Another thing we did that, you know, just sitting down and talking about what was 
going to make this work, because Kevin really was throwing up, or-- he did a lot of throwing up 
at this time, and, you know, we still knew something was wrong with him, and we were still 
doctoring.  
 
Linda C. Meuter  04:16 
This is after the tumor? 
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  04:18 
This was after the tumor. Things still weren't right, and we knew something else was wrong. And 
I was just little-- almost house-bound, it seemed, because, you know, it was really hard to take 
him out. And so we talked it over and decided to buy a motorhome. And I remember the first 
time we went out in the motorhome was opening day of fishing, and Kevin was sick. But the 
thing was, I could go. My-- it wasn't, you know, it wasn't just like Stan had to go by himself, or 
just Stan and Mike went, and I got to stay home with Kevin, but we all four went.  
 
Linda C. Meuter  04:51 
So did you park the motorhome by the reefnet gear?  
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  04:54 
No, this was opening day of fishing. For fun.  
 
Linda C. Meuter  04:58 
Oh, for fun. Right.  
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  04:59 
Yeah.  
 
Linda C. Meuter  05:00 
Oh, I see what you-- this is recreational. 
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Susan Quant Bianchi  05:01 
Recreational fishing, yeah. Opening day of fishing for trout. And even though Kevin was ill, we 
took him. We bundled him up, we put him in the motorhome, and there was a bed. He laid down, 
he slept, he got up. I fed him, I took care of him in the motorhome. But I could look out the 
windows. I could see the lake. I could see Mike out in the boat with his little life jacket on, and 
Stan and him fishing. And Stan would come back, and you know, we would all have lunch 
together. And as Kevin would feel better, you know, there were periods when he would feel 
better, and he and I would get out and go for a walk. But I wasn't stuck at home anymore. And 
from that moment on, from buying the motorhome. From that moment on, I wasn't a 
housebound. We took off constantly. We would take trips just to Seattle. We would go down to 
see [?Haggens?], and, you know, we would go anywhere. We would go abs-- even at the grocery 
store. And we would take the motorhome, because if Kevin got sick, he'd go to the motorhome 
and lay down. And so it made everything work. We went camping and, you know, and we just 
stopped deciding that we would or wouldn't go if Kevin was well, because you would have 
stayed home then. So the motorhome changed our lives, and we had that for 12 years, and went 
everywhere in it. And it was just great fun. It was just wonderful. So, buying the motorhome 
probably was the best salvation that there was. 
 
Linda C. Meuter  06:28 
So you mentioned Kevin's illness, continuing, what was the-- what was the next stage?  
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  06:36 
Well, it was continuing a search for, you know, what was wrong. And I started with the Blaine 
doctors, and they told me he had nasal problems. And went to several doctors till we finally 
found Dr. Heisinger, and he had-- he had asthma, and that was what was wrong with him. And it 
was severe, really severe asthma. The problem was, was that he was-- Dr. Heisinger was a-- an 
asthma specialist in Bellingham. His own son had asthma and-- but he just wasn't good enough. 
We didn't learn that for a long time. He ran all the tests where they do the shots down the arms 
and not, you know, poke the back, and you know, and everything, but what-- but his tests were 
inaccurate, and we spent several years going to his office two times a week for the shots that 
weren't helping Kevin. When Kevin was two and a half years old, he was put in the hospital. 
This was December, '75? He was put in the hospital for one week for asthma. He had had-- he 
had-- he had been run into the hospital, I think, three times that week. And their asthma attacks 
are always at night, and three nights around midnight, one o'clock in the morning, he'd been run 
into Bellingham to-- for adrenaline, because he was just like [imitates raspy breath], you know, 
this just constant, like, couldn't breathe, and so throw him in the car, race to Bellingham, give 
him the adrenaline. Sometimes it took two doses to get him breathing normal, and home again 
we would come. So this got so bad one night, that we arrived at the hospital at midnight and his 
breathing was so bad, the adrenaline didn't work. They put him in the hospital, and this is a time 
I had a really bad time, because they had a rule that I couldn't stay, and that I had to go home. 
And Kevin was, he was so sick, and he was crying for me, and they put him in, you know, in 
this-- the infant cribs. They put him in the crib, and they told me that if I would just leave-- it 
was really late, you know, one, two o'clock in the morning by now. If I would just leave, Kevin 
would go to sleep. They give him the medicine and everything, and Kevin would just go to sleep, 
and Kevin would be fine. But all that was needed was I needed to leave. And I, you know, I 
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absolutely knew different. I knew all I needed to do was sit next to his crib all night, hold his 
hand, and he would be fine. But, you know, they thought they knew better, right? So we had to 
go home, and I cried all-- 
 
Linda C. Meuter  09:24 
--you had to go home? 
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  09:24 
I had to go home, and I cried all night. I knew. I knew, and I cried all night. I knew how sick he 
was, and I knew, you know, as Mom, I knew I need to be there with him. Well, I got there the 
next morning, first thing, and they told me that I was right. That he didn't sleep, that he cried all 
night and he screamed all night, and he had the IVs in his arms, and he tried to pull him out all 
night long. So when I got there, he was tied like this to both sides of the crib-- 
 
Linda C. Meuter  09:55 
--his wrists were tied-- 
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  09:56 
 --his wrists, he was tied like this in this crib, screaming. For me. He screamed for me all night, 
because we were, you know, we were just like this. We were a team. Every night, I held him, we 
were-- we talked every night. I mean, we were so close.  
 
Linda C. Meuter  10:15 
He's at two-and-a-half. 
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  10:16 
He's two-and-a-half, and he cried for me all night long, pulled the IVs out. He was angry. And, 
you know, he had been through so much. In and out of the-- three times into the hospital, three 
nights that week. Here he is, and he was in the hospital one week, and I fought them, you know, 
for the whole week, I fought them. You know, can't I just-- I need to stay here at night with him. 
He'll be fine if I can stay here at night, but absolutely not, that was absolutely against their rules. 
So he-- it was that was a really awful experience for him. He came out of there angry, and I, I-- 
this is kind of a sweet story that finishes with this. On the day he could finally come home, 
which was one week later, it was about a week before Christmas, I got up to the room. He was 
angry with me, you know, for not being there for him, I guess, for not being able to stay at night. 
And he was just angry, and he wouldn't talk to me. And so, I put him in his car seat, and Barbara 
Rauch was with me. We went to get him together, and I put him in his car seat, and I turned 
around and Barbara Rauch saw the tears just running down my face, because I was so upset, you 
know, that Kevin was wouldn't talk to me. And he was just showing me all-- he's always been 
kind of, you know, if he was angry, he let you know. And I just turned around, and the tears were 
running down my face. I started up the car, and Barbara asked me if I'd please stop at 
Albertson's. And I wondered why, but I did it. We drove out, and I went to Albertsons and 
stopped the car, and she got out. Here she comes, and she knocks on-- after she comes on the 
store, she knocks on my side of the door, and she opens it, and she has this down real low, and 
opens it up, and she's got these toys in there, and she doesn't want Kevin to see that she's bought 
them. She's wanting to-- she's giving them to me. And this is the sweetest story I think I've told 
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about Barbara. She's giving them to me. She's trying to sneak them to me so that I can turn 
around and give Kevin these toys, so that Kevin will love me and-- or, you know, or respond or 
not be angry with me anymore. And I just think that's the sweetest, neatest thing, you know, for 
somebody to do. And after that, when we brought Kevin home, he had nightmares for years. That 
started nightmares, that started-- he was, at night, he would be afraid to go to bed. And I blamed 
the hospital and this time, I did speak out. I went to several doctors. I went to the hospital, I 
wrote letters, and I told Dr. Heisenger that they had absolutely, you know that that I had been 
through surgeries before, and it didn't have to be this way, and that if I had been able to be at the 
hospital, there would have been no problems, there would be no nightmares, no nothing. Within 
a year, the hospital changed their rule, and moms could then stay overnight. They provided the 
bed. From that point on, the moms could stay with their children all night in the hospital, and-- 
 
Linda C. Meuter  10:18 
My sister benefited from that. 
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  10:59 
What? You're-- okay. Well, I feel like I, you know, I feel like I started the ball rolling on their 
changing their rule about that. And I never had to go through that again. Kevin had a second 
surgery; a bed was there. I never left his side when he came out of surgery. My face was there-- 
at night, anytime he woke up, anytime he needed, anything, he'd roll over. Look at me. I was 
there. I was always there. He came out of that one fine. He was happy, even, you know, smiling 
and happy and no nightmares, no problems. Michael, same thing. It was a bed for me. I slept in 
the bed. I was always there. It was, there was no traumatic experience for either-- you know, of 
any other time, but this, this was absolutely miserable, and it, it caused, I think, three years of 
nightmares for Kevin, you know, for being tied in a crib. For not-- you know, I guess if he 
screamed for me all night long, and they told me they could not believe the stamina he had. They 
thought in an hour, at most, half-hour, he would totally wear himself out. That would be the 
normal. The normal child would wear themselves out. But at six in the morning, he was still 
screaming for me, and because I didn't come, you know, he was angry. He did get over it. I 
mean, he got past that, you know, very, very soon. I mean, I think he got past that the next day or 
two, and I told him, You know, I talked. Talked to him and told him how they wouldn't allow me 
to be there, you know. And even at two and a half, he understood, you know, and he understood, 
but he didn't in the hospital, and it just-- it was... It still makes me mad every time I think about 
it. As I look back now, I feel like something good has to come out of everything, you know? And 
the good thing that came out of all this between Kevin and I was the-- all the years that he was 
sick, and all the years that I sat up with him, he and I formed a really unique and special bond 
with each other. I think, you know, we developed a love that's really unique for a mom and a son. 
And that, to me was-- it means everything. And I've, I've told him, You know, when he became a 
teenager, and we started knocking horns, and, you know, he was fighting about this or that, or 
whatever, and go-- you know, whatever I said, Kevin, I said, You won't believe this, but you 
know, when you were little, you and I absolutely had the closest bond, and you loved me, you 
know. So it was special. That was special, and we were close. And we talked. We talked, we'd 
stay up at night, what else could we do? You know, so he'd ask me questions, and I'd read him 
stories, and we talked. So we had a real, real special love. That meant a lot.  
 
Linda C. Meuter  16:36 
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That's good, that's neat. So you, aside from the illness of Kevin, which I imagine, what, from 
what you said in this tape, took a lot of time in your family. Could you tell me about some of the 
fun activities that bonded your family together, that you shared? 
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  16:57 
Getting the motorhome changed our lives, like I said. And, you know, we started doing a lot of 
things, but starting in '76 really, we started camping. And I think my favorite trip, or the trip I 
remember the most was, was we went over across the Cascades, and we went to Winthrop and 
Twisp. Stan's aunt and uncle were fishing in Twisp at the time, so we pulled our camper right in 
there. And so, I think we stayed about three days there, and Stan absolutely loved it, because 
they were fishing off the rocks. And my favorite stor-- [laughs] my favorite story about that is we 
had these blow-up raft things, and I-- and Stan was watching the kids, and it was really hot, you 
know, like 104 degrees, and I was just sweating and dying in the heat. So I decided to get into 
my raft, and I was going to float around in this area where they were fishing, kind of staying out 
of their way. Well, the next thing I knew, in my opinion, I got caught in the rapids. Now, Stan 
said the water was just running a little quickly, but in my opinion, I was caught in the rapids. 
And, you know, the next thing I knew, I was swooshing down the river, and I didn't know what 
to do. I couldn't-- I was trying to paddle back, and I was trying to paddle over to the edge, and 
nothing was happening. So I did the smartest thing I could think of. I jumped out of the boat, and 
the-- I couldn't walk. I was falling down. I was trying to hang on to the boat, and I was actually 
crawling off to the edge of the river. It took me a while, and it scared the heck out of me, but we 
had an absolutely wonderful time. And we left there, and we went to Lake Wenatchee, I think it 
is. And we took the whole loop through Leavenworth, and then, you know, around, and you 
know, we took about a week doing that, and we'd never done that before. You know, that was a 
first for us. And I don't know, I remember back-- you know, I told you about how much camping 
we did when we were kid?  
 
Linda C. Meuter  18:53 
Right. 
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  18:53 
And it makes me realize that, you know, as you become adults, and you're raising your children, 
how much you take out of how you were raised. And one thing that that's so different today than 
when I was a kid, is that we would come home from school, and Chris, and Kathy, and I would 
go outside. It just seems like-- I think the detriment of the area of the time today is those games 
out there, the Nintendo and all of that. You know, they come in and, you know, they're sitting 
behind the Nintendo machine. We came home from school, and we lived right next to Larrabee 
State Park. And, you know, we threw on our old clothes as fast as we could, and we would hike 
down to Larrabee and truck, you know, all through all the trails and down past that was, was 
Clayton Bay. And we did that almost every day. Up the other end of from where we lived on 
[inaudible], up the other end, my sister had a horse. And it was an old-- kind of an old, you 
know, hardly moving, kind of a horse that had been given to her because this man knew she 
absolutely loved horses. But there was an inter-urban trail, you know, right above where we live, 
and we would hike up there, and each of us take a turn, you know, riding on the horse. Every 
single day, it was, you know, it was a trip. We would walk down to the beach and walk along the 
rocks to the park. But, you know, it seemed like we were healthy and we, you know, there were 
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no games, and we didn't watch much TV. You know, there was American Bandstand at the time. 
I can, you know, and I can remember Peyton Place. When I was in high school, everyone would-
- but that was at night, you know, later at night, everyone would rush home to watch Peyton 
Place. That was the big serial of the time, and American Bandstand after school. But other than 
that, we were outside until it was time to come in and, you know, start dinner. So, as I've raised 
my family, you know, I can see some things that I've done not as well as the way I was raised. 
And one is, you know, I think I allowed them too much-- I've definitely allowed too much TV. 
They watch way too much TV, and they'll be-- you know, and then-- and all the games there, 
they do that too much, and I think they ought to be outside. But, you know, I'll say, Oh, come on, 
kids, why don't you go on outside and play something? And they'll go, Well, you know, what do 
we play? You know? What will we do? And you know, Stan built that right out-- the living room 
windows. We have a treehouse that Stan built. And all Stan's life, he wanted a treehouse. That 
was like his big dream. But our kids don't think it's neat, you know. And I think that's just a 
generational thing. But you know, now the bikes have to be 25 speed. Before, you just had to be 
able to get on and, you know, push the pedals around and get your exercise. And it was 
wonderful, it was great fun. You know, everything's-- 
 
Linda C. Meuter  21:41 
--things changed-- 
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  21:42 
--too much now. It's growing, it's too much. So... I don't know. I think the best thing we do is 
camping, because it's back to nature. I mean, we eat outside. We cook outside, other than, you 
know, we're in a motorhome. We're not in a tent, you know. But you know, we do a lot of 
walking, and we are in the water, and we swim, and, you know, it's just, you feel so healthy after 
a day in the sun. In '77 we took our-- we had our big family trip, and it had been something we 
planned for about a year. Kevin was feeling, you know, quite a bit better, and we thought we 
could do it. We went down to Disneyland. We took the-- went in the motorhome, and we were 
gone about 10 days. And it was, it was the most fun trip, you know. In many ways, it was the 
most fun trip we've ever been on. We kind of took our time. We went through Tahoe, and we 
took a girl with us, Laura Sibellia went with us to kind of babysit the kids. So when we were in 
Tahoe, Stan and I could go, we went to the, you know, to the casino and watched the shows, and 
she babysat, and we did a little gambling. Didn't win much. Oh, I won $100 and I bought a ring. 
And we left Tahoe and headed for Muriel's house. She's my girlfriend from high school? And she 
had said we could stay with her, so we piled in. You know, all five of us piled in on her, and she 
just was the host for the week. She took us everywhere. You know, she went to Disneyland with 
us one day, but the other days we were on our own. The only, I think one of the main things I can 
remember is, I remember telling you about Kevin having the nightmares when he was still kind 
of in this period. And one of our first rides was, It's a Small, Small World. And Kevin started 
crying in It's a Small, Small World. And I thought, Uh-oh, we're in trouble now, because, you 
know, that's-- I mean, all the others get worse than Small World. He screamed through the 
Pirates of the Caribbean, you know? So we were kind of going through the rides with-- he was 
sitting next to me, and I would put his head down on my lap, and, you know, hold his head, hold 
his head so he couldn't hear, you know, plug his ears and, you know. But we went to Disneyland, 
and Muriel took us to Victor Hugo's restaurant for Easter dinner and to a play. We went to a 
play, and they took us to some that-- we had-- Laura was there, so she stayed a couple nights, 
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and they took us to some of their most special restaurants, you know, down there. And we just 
had an absolutely wonderful time. We had a crazy trip home. Stan had to be teaching on 
Tuesday, and Sunday, we left Disneyland at like, 10 o'clock at night, and we drove straight 
through till we got home Monday night. I think it was Monday night or-- Monday night or 
Tuesday morning, and Stan had just enough time to shower, and shave, and get to school. But we 
were younger then, too, a lot young-- you know, in our early 30s, so you could do things like 
that, and.. But that was really fun. And then I think the next year was-- started, probably my 
favorite part of our year, and that was we started skiing. And as I've looked back, what happened 
was we'd started bike riding as a family. And I know I mentioned that I had a real problem with 
athletics, and I always felt kind of like, well, the total klutz at it, but I'd lost all my weight, and 
we were bike riding and I felt-- I kind of felt like I could do anything. And there were, you know, 
I had these dreams. But you know, you know sometimes you have dreams that are real, and 
sometimes you have dreams that you're never sure are going to happen. And I had two dreams, 
and I shared them with Stan, and I said, Stan, I have these two dreams. And one is that I want to 
learn how to snow ski, and the other was that I wanted to learn how to play the guitar. So the 
next thing I knew, Stan came home and he said, I've signed us up for ski lessons up at Mount 
Baker, and-- with another couple Patty and Paul [?Berg?] went too. And so the four of us were 
signed up for eight ski lessons. It was the only way though, that I was ever really going to do it, 
you know, would be to have the lessons.  
 
Linda C. Meuter  22:35 
Right, everyone has to learn. 
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  24:06 
Well, you know-- well, otherwise you just struggle and struggle, and you gotta-- you know, you 
have to learn. So I remember going for our first ski lesson, and I had-- [tape cuts out] -- fit on, 
you know, piecemeal stuff, and-- oh, and I couldn't even walk in the boots, you know. I don't 
know how I was gonna ski. You remember trying to walk in those boots for the first time? You 
can't do it. And I would fall down, and the instructor would say he wouldn't pick me back up, 
and I couldn't get back up. I was, you know, trying [laughs] everything, and I couldn't get my 
rear up off the snow. So Stan and Paul did great, and Patty and I were on the ground the whole 
time. So, we came home and told Bonnie that we, you know, that we, we were just klutzos at this 
and we couldn't do it. And she said, Never fear. Tuesday night, I'm taking you to Grouse 
Mountain, and I'm going to teach you girls how to ski so that you're going to amaze them next 
week. So, Tuesday night, we took off; Bonnie, and Patty Berg, and I, for Grouse Mountain, and 
Bonnie taught us how to ski. Just to do the wedge, you know? So that-- 
 
Susan Quant Bianchi  27:06 
--if you can learn how to, yeah. If you can do the wedge, you can make a turn, and you can slow 
down, and you can ski. So we learned how to wedge. So we were going down all the hills. We 
got back to our lesson the next time, and Stan and Paul didn't know how to do it. And they were 
just like, Whoa, our wives can ski. As we were snow plowing down the hill with big grins on our 
faces and going, hey, you know, we are now skiers, and you know, from there it was all uphill. 
Each week, you learn something new. But it was wonderful, that-- of all the things I've ever 
done, that's my most favorite thing. And now I have a dream still, that I'll get well enough that 
just one more time in my life I want to ski. I wanted-- I want to, really bad. It's a real far-fetched 
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dream, because I'm really weak, and, you know, I just, and I haven't skied in a lot of years now, 
five years or so, but-- and I just--but I want to ski one more time. Really, really bad. We skied 
that whole winter. We skied every weekend. And then the kind of the finale to the-- the finale to 
the skiing was, we took a trip up to Whistler with Bonnie and Dave Harkelroad and spent the-- it 
was, we were on spring vacation, and we had an older woman come in and babysit Mike and 
Kevin, and it was just adults, and that was a first for us. We didn't ever, you know, we rarely left 
the kids. That was the first for us to really leave them. We left them for two or three nights while 
we went up to Whistler and skied. But guess what? We came home. Kevin was in the hospital. I 
mean, it was just like, whoa, you know, how can this always happen? He started to have an 
asthma attack and scared the heck out of his babysitter. She called Barbara and Norman Rauch, 
they rushed him into the hospital. And so, we got home, and we rushed into the hospital, and 
there he was, Hi Mom, hi Dad, you know. And he has adrenaline, and was laying there resting, 
and we brought him home. So we skied the whole year, and made the decision then that the next 
year we were going to start Mike and Kevin. They skied once that year with us. We took them 
once, but the next year we decided we were going to become a family skier, family of skiers. 
So... 
 
Linda C. Meuter  27:06 
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